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	<title>Comments on: A Blogger&#8217;s Manifesto by Erik Ringmar</title>
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	<description>Thoughts, notes and comments</description>
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		<title>By: Erik</title>
		<link>http://davecole.org/blog/2007/12/03/a-bloggers-manifesto-by-erik-ringmar/#comment-488</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 00:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The pope was very quick to condemn the Danes when they started publishing cartoons.  That event was great in flushing out the forces of darkness (yes Peter Mandelson was also having a go at the Danes).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The pope was very quick to condemn the Danes when they started publishing cartoons.  That event was great in flushing out the forces of darkness (yes Peter Mandelson was also having a go at the Danes).</p>
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		<title>By: edmund</title>
		<link>http://davecole.org/blog/2007/12/03/a-bloggers-manifesto-by-erik-ringmar/#comment-483</link>
		<dc:creator>edmund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 13:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>erik how's hte pope a censor? Good luck with everything!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>erik how&#8217;s hte pope a censor? Good luck with everything!</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
		<link>http://davecole.org/blog/2007/12/03/a-bloggers-manifesto-by-erik-ringmar/#comment-480</link>
		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 10:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm really not having a go, but we shouldn't use them; because meaning is assigned to words that are meaningless (and this starts getting onto Sapir-Whorf) it distorts political debate and, I think, makes politics less effective.

xD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really not having a go, but we shouldn&#8217;t use them; because meaning is assigned to words that are meaningless (and this starts getting onto Sapir-Whorf) it distorts political debate and, I think, makes politics less effective.</p>
<p>xD.</p>
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		<title>By: jameshigham</title>
		<link>http://davecole.org/blog/2007/12/03/a-bloggers-manifesto-by-erik-ringmar/#comment-479</link>
		<dc:creator>jameshigham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 08:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Promise I wasn't lumping you, Dave.  I agree too that the traditional distinctions are virtually meaningless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Promise I wasn&#8217;t lumping you, Dave.  I agree too that the traditional distinctions are virtually meaningless.</p>
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		<title>By: A Blogger&#8217;s Manifesto &#187; Blog Archive &#187; my book on the web</title>
		<link>http://davecole.org/blog/2007/12/03/a-bloggers-manifesto-by-erik-ringmar/#comment-476</link>
		<dc:creator>A Blogger&#8217;s Manifesto &#187; Blog Archive &#187; my book on the web</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 14:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dave Cole, &#8220;A Blogger&#8217;s Manifesto&#8220; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Dave Cole, &#8220;A Blogger&#8217;s Manifesto&#8220; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Erik</title>
		<link>http://davecole.org/blog/2007/12/03/a-bloggers-manifesto-by-erik-ringmar/#comment-475</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 14:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dave, thanks for reading my book and writing about it.  I had to take the download link down for a while since my publisher started grumbling a bit.  But I hope to put it back up again before long.

On "left" and "right": I've noticed that people on the political right never are that bad as long as they fully accept a policy of freedom of speech.  My enemies are almost always the censors and the thought police -- an interesting bunch of people including Howard Davies, the pope, Kim Jong-Il, and Tony Blair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dave, thanks for reading my book and writing about it.  I had to take the download link down for a while since my publisher started grumbling a bit.  But I hope to put it back up again before long.</p>
<p>On &#8220;left&#8221; and &#8220;right&#8221;: I&#8217;ve noticed that people on the political right never are that bad as long as they fully accept a policy of freedom of speech.  My enemies are almost always the censors and the thought police &#8212; an interesting bunch of people including Howard Davies, the pope, Kim Jong-Il, and Tony Blair.</p>
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		<title>By: Winchester whisperer</title>
		<link>http://davecole.org/blog/2007/12/03/a-bloggers-manifesto-by-erik-ringmar/#comment-473</link>
		<dc:creator>Winchester whisperer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 13:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All these blogs will be great material for future historians. It would be fascinating to see in the year 2100 how many of today's blogs are quoted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All these blogs will be great material for future historians. It would be fascinating to see in the year 2100 how many of today&#8217;s blogs are quoted.</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
		<link>http://davecole.org/blog/2007/12/03/a-bloggers-manifesto-by-erik-ringmar/#comment-472</link>
		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 13:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James,

The freedom to say bugger off is important, but it's included in freedom of access to information. 
A freedom necessarily means the right or ability not to do a thing; freedom of speech does not mean that you have to speak, in general or politically, all the time or at all, while freedom of access to information does not mean you have to inform yourself; you can choose to ignore someone if you want.

'Left' and 'right' are almost meaningless terms. Anarchists of various flavours are called both 'left' and 'right'; Nazism is called far-right, Stalin was far-left, and they were pretty similar.

If we accept the terms you're using, your analysis is a gross oversimplification. I probably count as 'the left', and I've said that the BNP should not be gagged. Ditto Skuds. Ditto the Government, which is (at least officially)

I do not deny for a moment that some people on the extremes of political thought would deny freedom of speech, but if you are using a term like 'left' to lump me with Stalin or Gordon Brown with Mao, I would suggest that it has almost no analytical usefulness whatsoever.

I have not said that the Oxford Union should not have been able to invite Griffin and Irving; I said that it was a bad idea presented on false premises.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,</p>
<p>The freedom to say bugger off is important, but it&#8217;s included in freedom of access to information.<br />
A freedom necessarily means the right or ability not to do a thing; freedom of speech does not mean that you have to speak, in general or politically, all the time or at all, while freedom of access to information does not mean you have to inform yourself; you can choose to ignore someone if you want.</p>
<p>&#8216;Left&#8217; and &#8216;right&#8217; are almost meaningless terms. Anarchists of various flavours are called both &#8216;left&#8217; and &#8216;right&#8217;; Nazism is called far-right, Stalin was far-left, and they were pretty similar.</p>
<p>If we accept the terms you&#8217;re using, your analysis is a gross oversimplification. I probably count as &#8216;the left&#8217;, and I&#8217;ve said that the BNP should not be gagged. Ditto Skuds. Ditto the Government, which is (at least officially)</p>
<p>I do not deny for a moment that some people on the extremes of political thought would deny freedom of speech, but if you are using a term like &#8216;left&#8217; to lump me with Stalin or Gordon Brown with Mao, I would suggest that it has almost no analytical usefulness whatsoever.</p>
<p>I have not said that the Oxford Union should not have been able to invite Griffin and Irving; I said that it was a bad idea presented on false premises.</p>
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		<title>By: jameshigham</title>
		<link>http://davecole.org/blog/2007/12/03/a-bloggers-manifesto-by-erik-ringmar/#comment-471</link>
		<dc:creator>jameshigham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 12:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is one more freedom - the freedom to say "bugger off" to anyone who would wish to impose his view on us.

The dilemma of the BNP brings left and right closer on this issue.  Both detest the BNP but the right says they have to be allowed to speak - just don't buy a ticket to one of their meetings if it's a problem.

The left says, "Gag them."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is one more freedom - the freedom to say &#8220;bugger off&#8221; to anyone who would wish to impose his view on us.</p>
<p>The dilemma of the BNP brings left and right closer on this issue.  Both detest the BNP but the right says they have to be allowed to speak - just don&#8217;t buy a ticket to one of their meetings if it&#8217;s a problem.</p>
<p>The left says, &#8220;Gag them.&#8221;</p>
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