Comments on: Dhimmitude http://davecole.org/blog/2008/02/11/dhimmitude/ Dave Cole's thoughts on politics, culture and modern life. Tue, 09 Mar 2010 15:51:43 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: dave http://davecole.org/blog/2008/02/11/dhimmitude/comment-page-1/#comment-799 dave Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:00:32 +0000 http://davecole.org/blog/2008/02/11/dhimmitude/#comment-799 James, That's probably the core of where we disagree. I'm afraid my mind is mush at the moment, so there probably won't be a decent reply until the weekend. Watch, as they say, this space. xD. James,

That’s probably the core of where we disagree. I’m afraid my mind is mush at the moment, so there probably won’t be a decent reply until the weekend. Watch, as they say, this space.

xD.

]]> By: jameshigham http://davecole.org/blog/2008/02/11/dhimmitude/comment-page-1/#comment-797 jameshigham Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:33:42 +0000 http://davecole.org/blog/2008/02/11/dhimmitude/#comment-797 Immigrants must know that they are guests, Dave, just as I do here. They enjoy my diversity from their norm but I'm still a guest. Immigrants must know that they are guests, Dave, just as I do here. They enjoy my diversity from their norm but I’m still a guest.

]]> By: dave http://davecole.org/blog/2008/02/11/dhimmitude/comment-page-1/#comment-789 dave Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:18:09 +0000 http://davecole.org/blog/2008/02/11/dhimmitude/#comment-789 James, that is ridiculous. Smother the local culture and implant its own? Firstly, a third- or fourth- generation culture is the local culture. Secondly, the fact that someone does something doesn't stop me going to the pub (or however else I might choose to celebrate my culture). Thirdly, the local culture isn't, as it's a mish-mash of immigrant communities that have individuals that are integrated to a greater or lesser degree. Given that the Vikings first arrived in Britain around 790 and still haven't integrated fully (Up Helly Aa), this idea of integration seems hopeful at best. Fourthly, why should they adopt our 'culture'? If they want to, great. If they don't, I'm still going to eat in their restaurants and attend their festivals. Even if you don't accept that (wait for the word 'tranzi' from Matt Sinclair), I think that the attempts to stop this 'smothering' are resulting in immigrants feeling that they're being stepped on and aren't welcome in a country that they feel (rightly) is their own, leading to resentment and extremism. xD. James, that is ridiculous. Smother the local culture and implant its own? Firstly, a third- or fourth- generation culture is the local culture. Secondly, the fact that someone does something doesn’t stop me going to the pub (or however else I might choose to celebrate my culture). Thirdly, the local culture isn’t, as it’s a mish-mash of immigrant communities that have individuals that are integrated to a greater or lesser degree. Given that the Vikings first arrived in Britain around 790 and still haven’t integrated fully (Up Helly Aa), this idea of integration seems hopeful at best. Fourthly, why should they adopt our ‘culture’? If they want to, great. If they don’t, I’m still going to eat in their restaurants and attend their festivals.

Even if you don’t accept that (wait for the word ‘tranzi’ from Matt Sinclair), I think that the attempts to stop this ’smothering’ are resulting in immigrants feeling that they’re being stepped on and aren’t welcome in a country that they feel (rightly) is their own, leading to resentment and extremism.

xD.

]]> By: jameshigham http://davecole.org/blog/2008/02/11/dhimmitude/comment-page-1/#comment-788 jameshigham Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:49:30 +0000 http://davecole.org/blog/2008/02/11/dhimmitude/#comment-788 The question, as one commenter at my blog said, is not whether it's Islam or any other religion or social philosophy - it's the nature of the attempt to smother the local culture and implant its own. In this context, "alien" seems an appropriate word. The question, as one commenter at my blog said, is not whether it’s Islam or any other religion or social philosophy – it’s the nature of the attempt to smother the local culture and implant its own.

In this context, “alien” seems an appropriate word.

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